Discussion:
Freedom-friendly video hardware community
Basil Mohamed Gohar
15 years ago
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Our discussion in the "Theora Camcorder" thread has been great, but I
didn't see a direction evolve for action yet. So, I'd like to propose
the creation of a community website that will be focused specifically on
this kind of thing, partnered with the Xiph Foundation. I'm also more
than happy to host said website, as I have more than ample server
capacity for that.

I just want to take an informal poll of who would be interested in such
a thing before actually going through with it. Let me know, and I'd
like to also hear some suggestions for a nice name for the community.
In an ideal world, it would be a community for general hardware ideas,
but I think we can take advantage of the urgent need for a free /video/
device that normal users can use as a camcorder, so we can let it be
video/consumer-related, at least initially.

Some ideas for names:
- Theoracorder
- Liberated Video
- Unbound

(I didn't say they'd be good ideas!)
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Ralph Giles
15 years ago
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   -    Theoracorder
   -    Liberated Video
   -    Unbound
'Unbound' is a good product name.

-r
Lino Mastrodomenico
15 years ago
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Post by Ralph Giles
   -    Theoracorder
   -    Liberated Video
   -    Unbound
'Unbound' is a good product name.
Given that's a generic English word, isn't it harder to find in a
search engine? Also it's the name of an existing Free Software project
(<http://unbound.net/>).
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Teran McKinney
15 years ago
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Yes, Unbound is a DNS server package and the name would be hard to search for.

I like Liberated Video the best, personally. Theora probably won't
always be around and it'll give the option to move to VP8 or another
codec in the future, as the main intent I believe is to have free
video rather than just use Theora. To me, Theoracorder sounds like
something for a hard core geek, not most who want to just make videos
and distribute them however they please.

Good sounding name ideas, though :-).

--Teran

On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:49, Lino Mastrodomenico
Post by Lino Mastrodomenico
Post by Ralph Giles
   -    Theoracorder
   -    Liberated Video
   -    Unbound
'Unbound' is a good product name.
Given that's a generic English word, isn't it harder to find in a
search engine? Also it's the name of an existing Free Software project
(<http://unbound.net/>).
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Dave Johnson
15 years ago
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I am excited. Liberated video is great.

On May 7, 2010 8:54 AM, "Teran McKinney" <***@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, Unbound is a DNS server package and the name would be hard to search
for.

I like Liberated Video the best, personally. Theora probably won't
always be around and it'll give the option to move to VP8 or another
codec in the future, as the main intent I believe is to have free
video rather than just use Theora. To me, Theoracorder sounds like
something for a hard core geek, not most who want to just make videos
and distribute them however they please.

Good sounding name ideas, though :-).

--Teran

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***@gmail.com> wrote: > 2010/5/5 Ra...
Basil Mohamed Gohar
15 years ago
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Post by Dave Johnson
I am excited. Liberated video is great.
So now we just need a .vid tld...;)

But, seriously, are we picking website names? So, are we talking
liberatedvideo.org or something like that?
Tom Sparks
15 years ago
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Post by Dave Johnson
I am excited. Liberated video is great.
I cant comment on the name,

I would like to have Super Hi-Vision / Ultra HD support (4096x2160,7680x4320)
witch Dirac should support

tom_a_sparks
Dave Johnson
15 years ago
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Librevideo.org i can donate money.

On May 8, 2010 2:13 AM, "Tom Sparks" <***@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

--- On Sat, 8/5/10, Dave Johnson <***@gmail.com> wrote: >I am
excited. Liberated video is ...
I cant comment on the name,

I would like to have Super Hi-Vision / Ultra HD support
(4096x2160,7680x4320)
witch Dirac should support

tom_a_sparks
Basil Mohamed Gohar
15 years ago
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Post by Dave Johnson
Librevideo.org i can donate money.
librevideo.org or liberatedvideo.org? How about liberatedmedia? I like
the general scope of the "media" as opposed to just video. Last call!
Ben Schwartz
15 years ago
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I have no idea what this thread is about, but you might want to look at
the Elphel Apertus project:

http://cinema.elphel.com/

They are trying to take an Elphel camera and add all the stuff needed to
make it a convenient high-end portable videocamera. Present work seems
to be mostly on the control interface. The roadmap calls for Dirac Pro
output if possible.

--Ben
Tom Sparks
15 years ago
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Post by Ben Schwartz
I have no idea what this thread is
about, but you might want to look at
http://cinema.elphel.com/
They are trying to take an Elphel camera and add all the
stuff needed to
make it a convenient high-end portable videocamera. 
Present work seems
to be mostly on the control interface.  The roadmap
calls for Dirac Pro
output if possible.
What about supporting this project, and creating a fork???

tom
Dave Johnson
15 years ago
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Sounds good to me. I need a prosumer camcorder.

On May 10, 2010 7:32 PM, "Tom Sparks" <***@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

--- On Tue, 11/5/10, Ben Schwartz <***@fas.harvard.edu> wrote: > I have
no idea what this thre...
What about supporting this project, and creating a fork???

tom

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dos386
15 years ago
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Post by Basil Mohamed Gohar
Post by Tom Sparks
would like to have Super Hi-Vision / Ultra HD support (4096x2160,7680x4320)
witch Dirac should support
There's no reason why Theora cannot do such high resolutions, I think
hardware would be more of the complication at this time
Time to encode just 1 such frame with Theora: 10 seconds
Time to encode just 1 such frame with Dirac: 3 minutes

(low precision guesses)
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Greg Ewing
15 years ago
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Post by dos386
Post by Basil Mohamed Gohar
Post by Tom Sparks
would like to have Super Hi-Vision / Ultra HD support (4096x2160,7680x4320)
witch Dirac should support
There's no reason why Theora cannot do such high resolutions, I think
hardware would be more of the complication at this time
Time to encode just 1 such frame with Theora: 10 seconds
Time to encode just 1 such frame with Dirac: 3 minutes
(low precision guesses)
Dirac pro does not use any Motion vectors or inter frame prediction. Its
just a pure wavelet compressor. This can be quite fast in hardware. Also
there is already hardware that does this.

Red One as i understand use a wavelet codec of their own as well. Don't
they go up to 4k?
Basil Mohamed Gohar
15 years ago
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Post by Basil Mohamed Gohar
Post by Dave Johnson
Librevideo.org i can donate money.
librevideo.org or liberatedvideo.org? How about liberatedmedia? I like
the general scope of the "media" as opposed to just video. Last call!
I picked-up librevideo.(com|net|org) as that was what was available. We
should have content up within this week. I guess that deserves it own
thread once the site's up, but for now, I plan to have the following
components:

Blog (news, announcements, "main" page)
Wiki (knowledge base, can go into detail about different pieces of
hardware that are already freedom-friendly to varying degrees)
Forums? Not sure how popular web forums are with you folks, but it's a
tool I almost always use.
Eventually I'll get mailing lists up as well, but I have to get that
configured on my server first, and considering I'm planning a server
upgrade shortly after Fedora 13 is released (next week, God-willing!), I
might not bother until then.

Any other suggestions?
Sergey Kurdakov
15 years ago
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Hi Basil,
Post by Basil Mohamed Gohar
Blog (news, announcements, "main" page)
Wiki (knowledge base, can go into detail about different pieces of
hardware
I would suggest to try tikiwiki

it has 'all in one' feature list http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php,


alternatively media wiki + phpbb could be used
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PHPBB/Users_Integration

Regards
Sergey

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Basil Mohamed Gohar
Basil Mohamed Gohar
15 years ago
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Post by Sergey Kurdakov
Hi Basil,
Post by Basil Mohamed Gohar
Blog (news, announcements, "main" page)
Wiki (knowledge base, can go into detail about different pieces of
hardware
I would suggest to try tikiwiki
it has 'all in one' feature list http://info.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php,
alternatively media wiki + phpbb could be used
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PHPBB/Users_Integration
Regards
Sergey
I didn't know about tikiwiki, but the MediaWiki + phpBB route makes more
sense to me, as I'm much more familiar with both (I've hosted several
instances of phpBB before). I am not sure if we actually need a
discussion forum, though. I think it'll be hard to keep the discussions
focused and I'm not keen to have people discuss just anything they want
on there, for personal reasons. I'd rather keep the site focused on the
main goal of making unencumbered video possible.
Jason Self
15 years ago
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Post by Basil Mohamed Gohar
Forums? Not sure how popular web forums are with you folks, but it's a
tool I almost always use.
Eventually I'll get mailing lists up as well, but I have to get that
configured on my server first, and considering I'm planning a server
upgrade shortly after Fedora 13 is released (next week, God-willing!), I
might not bother until then.
Any other suggestions?
IMO, having both forums and email creates a divide between those hanging out on
the forums and those on the mailing list (they may be the same people in both
locations but not ncessarily.) So please do one or the other, but not both.

FWIW, my vote is for mailing lists only because it integrates better with my
workflow but there is forum software that provides two-way integration with
mailing lists. If you insist on having forums, please at least make sure there
is two-way intergration between the mailing lists and the forums.
Tom Sparks
15 years ago
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Post by Jason Self
FWIW, my vote is for mailing lists only because it
integrates better with my
workflow but there is forum software that provides two-way
integration with
mailing lists. If you insist on having forums, please at
least make sure there
is two-way intergration between the mailing lists and the
forums.
here is the software @ http://mail2forum.com/

tom
shirish शिरीष
14 years ago
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Hi all,
Sorry for recovering a dead thread. I would be a user who would look
for a solution which can record and output .ogg and multiple other
formats on the fly. So everything from having a raw video to having an
encoded video (.ogg, .divx, .xvid etc.) on the fly so I could sent it
straight to youtube or some site/burn it on a CD/DVD etc.

I know Elphel did have a solution sometime back but for some reason
(most probably the patents scare thing) they decided to pull back.

So one just doesn't need to do all of that but also make it possible
to buy it from my corner shop as well.

I know its a tall order but there is a huge market if something like
that could be done.

Just my 2 paise.
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Basil Mohamed Gohar
14 years ago
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...
What you have described can easily be achieved via a webcam coupled to a
GNU/Linux system running gstreamer (gstreamer works on other platforms
too). The only issue is that you'd need a computer in addition to a
camera, but for the description you've given, that doesn't seem like a
very unreasonable requirement.
Tom Sparks
14 years ago
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Subject: Re: [theora] Freedom-friendly video hardware community
Received: Thursday, 2 September, 2010, 12:49 AM
Hi all,
<snip>
I know Elphel did have a solution sometime back but for
some reason
(most probably the patents scare thing) they decided to
pull back.
no elphel has not pulled back, they have refoused their time and money
Basil Mohamed Gohar
15 years ago
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Post by Tom Sparks
Post by Dave Johnson
I am excited. Liberated video is great.
I cant comment on the name,
I would like to have Super Hi-Vision / Ultra HD support (4096x2160,7680x4320)
witch Dirac should support
tom_a_sparks
There's no reason why Theora cannot do such high resolutions, I think
hardware would be more of the complication at this time. That exceeds
the resolution of the sensors of the highest DSLRs!
Tom Sparks
15 years ago
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...
that would also screw the some of the ultra HD companys :)

it could be our Prosumer camera

tom
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