[theora] NHW Project - some results

Discussion:

Raphael Canut

2018-07-14 18:50:35 UTC

Hello,

Just a quick message to let you know that I get back to NHW Project
currently.

I downloaded 20 images from the Internet with rather good quality (mainly
faces), I compressed them at high compression -l7 setting with the NHW
Project, and on 19 images out of 20, I visually prefer the results of NHW
compared to x265 (HEVC)!!! -I can make available these 20x3=60 512x512
24bit bitmap images for those who want, just let me know.-

I did not select these 20 images, it was the 20 first rather good quality
images that Google Images gave me (I entered the name of an actress...).

So I am quite satisfied with these results, and I think now that the NHW
Project is (visually) better than x265 (HEVC) for rather good quality
images!!!

So I would like to finish the codec, even if the NHW Project will not find
an application in the Industry. -I think the NHW Project has good
advantages, it is furthermore very fast and royalty-free, but as told me
Dave Johnson in his previous post, the giants of the Industry and of the
Internet are too attached to their respective works, codecs... even if for
me, and it is only my opinion, they are too slow for mobile devices and for
me it seems that we are in a phase to save energy...-

For very high compression, for now I would like to apply first a
pre-processing on the image that would remove the details and then compress
the resulting processed image at -l7 quality setting.Would some of you know
a processing that removes details inside the contours and that totally
preserves the contours, edges? Would be so much helpful!

Then will mainly lack, after this task, to adapt the NHW Project to any
size of image.But this time, as for now I am working on the NHW Project on
my spare time, I would like to find a company that will sponsorize me to
adapt the codec to any image size.Do you think it is realistic, possible?

Again, any comment, help is very welcome!!!

Many thanks!
Cheers,
Raphael

J.B. Nicholson

2018-07-14 23:41:13 UTC

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Post by Raphael Canut
I downloaded 20 images from the Internet with rather good quality (mainly
faces), I compressed them at high compression -l7 setting with the NHW
Project, and on 19 images out of 20, I visually prefer the results of NHW
compared to x265 (HEVC)!!! -I can make available these 20x3=60 512x512
24bit bitmap images for those who want, just let me know.-

Perhaps you could turn them all into PNGs (so none of the compression
artifacts are lost) and post them inline on a blog article on
https://nhwcodec.blogspot.com/ and we could see them there?

Raphael Canut

2018-07-15 14:22:50 UTC

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Hello,

Ok, I will post them in a folder on Google Drive and will give the link on
my blog page, -because among other things, on my blog page, I can not
display 2 bitmap 512x512 images side by side-... Hope it is ok!

Cheers,
Raphael

Post by J.B. Nicholson

Perhaps you could turn them all into PNGs (so none of the compression
artifacts are lost) and post them inline on a blog article on
https://nhwcodec.blogspot.com/ and we could see them there?
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J.B. Nicholson

2018-07-15 16:12:05 UTC

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Post by Raphael Canut
Ok, I will post them in a folder on Google Drive and will give the link on
my blog page, -because among other things, on my blog page, I can not
display 2 bitmap 512x512 images side by side-... Hope it is ok!

Could you upload a zip archive of these images to your blog? Last I looked,
Google Drive requires nonfree Javascript to access. I think it would be
nice for those looking at this now and in the future to not have to run
nonfree code to see the images.

Thanks for considering this.

Raphael Canut

2018-07-15 17:24:30 UTC

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Hello,

Post by J.B. Nicholson
Could you upload a zip archive of these images to your blog?

Unfortunately, I fear that I can only upload on Blogger images and videos
but not zip files... Would you see a free file host?

Thank you!
Raphael

Post by J.B. Nicholson

Could you upload a zip archive of these images to your blog? Last I
looked, Google Drive requires nonfree Javascript to access. I think it
would be nice for those looking at this now and in the future to not have
to run nonfree code to see the images.
Thanks for considering this.
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Raphael Canut

2018-07-15 19:11:26 UTC

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Hello,

First I have added a link on my demo blog page to Google Drive for the
image comparison folder of NHW and x265 on rather good quality images.But
be sure, as soon as you have sent me a free alternative host, I will upload
there too!

Link (for now) on: http://nhwcodec.blogspot.com/

Do not hesitate to let me know if you would share the opinion that NHW is
globally better than x265 (HEVC) at high compression on rather good quality
images.Any feedback would be much appreciated!!!

Many thanks!
Cheers,
Raphael

Post by J.B. Nicholson

Could you upload a zip archive of these images to your blog? Last I
looked, Google Drive requires nonfree Javascript to access. I think it
would be nice for those looking at this now and in the future to not have
to run nonfree code to see the images.
Thanks for considering this.
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J.B. Nicholson

2018-07-15 22:25:55 UTC

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Post by Raphael Canut
First I have added a link on my demo blog page to Google Drive for the
image comparison folder of NHW and x265 on rather good quality images.But
be sure, as soon as you have sent me a free alternative host, I will upload
there too!

I recommend https://archive.org -- there you can make an account, create an
"identifier" (a named folder for the data you want to upload, essentially),
and upload the picture files. archive.org will handle zipping them together
or letting a user download the images individually. None of this will cost
you money, it's all available gratis, and downloading from there requires
Javascript.

You can also link from archive.org's files into your blog to inline the
pictures if you wish. I suggest adding a link to the "download" URL for
your identifier. The URL will look like the following:

https://archive.org/download/IDENTIFIER/FILENAME

will be the pattern where you specify the identifier and filenames.

I don't know what you edit when you blog, but if you edit HTML the minimal
markup you can use is going to look like the following:

<img src="https://archive.org/download/IDENTIFIER/FILENAME" />

If you wish you could also add extra attributes like alt, height, and width.

Thanks!

Spork Schivago

2018-07-15 22:35:25 UTC

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Also, don't forget the option I gave you Ralph, where you can have access
to one of my VPSes. We can create a subdomain for free, but if you want
something like nhw.com, you'd have to register the domain name yourself,
which wouldn't cost too much money.... Then I can help configure it to
point to your page on my VPS. I'll host it all for free. You'll have
your own user account and can edit the page as you see fit, upload images
in any format, etc.

Post by J.B. Nicholson

upload

Post by Raphael Canut
there too!

I recommend https://archive.org -- there you can make an account, create an
"identifier" (a named folder for the data you want to upload,
essentially),
and upload the picture files. archive.org will handle zipping them together
or letting a user download the images individually. None of this will cost
you money, it's all available gratis, and downloading from there requires
Javascript.
You can also link from archive.org's files into your blog to inline the
pictures if you wish. I suggest adding a link to the "download" URL for
https://archive.org/download/IDENTIFIER/FILENAME
will be the pattern where you specify the identifier and filenames.
I don't know what you edit when you blog, but if you edit HTML the minimal
<img src="https://archive.org/download/IDENTIFIER/FILENAME" />
If you wish you could also add extra attributes like alt, height, and width.
Thanks!
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Raphael Canut

2018-07-15 22:51:02 UTC

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Hello Spork,

Yes, thank you so much to offer to host the NHW Project website on one of
your VPSes for free!

It would be so great to have a real website for the NHW Project."The
problem" is that I don't have the skills to design and create a
"professional-looking" website by myself...

Is it expensive to create a website? Do some of you could make this?

Any help to create the NHW Project website would be really great!!!

Many thanks!
Cheers,
Raphael

Post by Spork Schivago
Also, don't forget the option I gave you Ralph, where you can have access
to one of my VPSes. We can create a subdomain for free, but if you want
something like nhw.com, you'd have to register the domain name yourself,
which wouldn't cost too much money.... Then I can help configure it to
point to your page on my VPS. I'll host it all for free. You'll have
your own user account and can edit the page as you see fit, upload images
in any format, etc.

Post by Raphael Canut

Post by Raphael Canut
First I have added a link on my demo blog page to Google Drive for the
image comparison folder of NHW and x265 on rather good quality

images.But

Post by Raphael Canut
be sure, as soon as you have sent me a free alternative host, I will

upload

Post by Raphael Canut
there too!

I recommend https://archive.org -- there you can make an account, create an
"identifier" (a named folder for the data you want to upload,
essentially),
and upload the picture files. archive.org will handle zipping them together
or letting a user download the images individually. None of this will cost
you money, it's all available gratis, and downloading from there requires
Javascript.
You can also link from archive.org's files into your blog to inline the
pictures if you wish. I suggest adding a link to the "download" URL for
https://archive.org/download/IDENTIFIER/FILENAME
will be the pattern where you specify the identifier and filenames.
I don't know what you edit when you blog, but if you edit HTML the minimal
<img src="https://archive.org/download/IDENTIFIER/FILENAME" />
If you wish you could also add extra attributes like alt, height, and width.
Thanks!
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Raphael Canut

2018-07-16 18:36:33 UTC

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Hello Spork,

Thank you very much for your great help!

So ok, let's create a website for the NHW Project! Anyone who wants to help
is very welcome! Do you want we start first with wix.com or rather from
nearly scratch? I think from scratch would be better as we can really do
what we want, but it will be a lot and lot more difficult to make...

-I will send you a private email for the USB token.-

Cheers,
Raphael

I am not good at website design yet, however, I do have some books Iâve
purchased that I need to read that will allow me to create complex
responsive websites (something we need for our new business).
When we looked at hiring a company to create a website for us, with our
requirements, we were looking at between 20,000$ - 50,000$ USD. However,
we need a much more complicated site than you I believe.
There are free sites that can help you create a fairly nice looking
website. I believe wix.com offers some free templates, and then they
offer paid ones. If you want, we can setup a test site, that only you
and the people helping you can see, until itâs ready. However, to
connect to our VPS, remember, we use high security, so we would need to
mail you a âtokenâ to access it, to upload the files. We could send
the stuff via email, however, I do not think that would be a good idea,
because anyone that has the token would have access.
If you want, please send me a private email with your mailing address, and
I will mail you a USB token with instructions on how to access the site,
how to upload files, etc.
Your friend,
Spork Schivago
*Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2018 6:51 PM
*Subject:* Re: [theora] x265 and NHW comparison images posted to
https://nhwcodec.blogspot.com/?
Hello Spork,
Yes, thank you so much to offer to host the NHW Project website on one of
your VPSes for free!
It would be so great to have a real website for the NHW Project."The
problem" is that I don't have the skills to design and create a
"professional-looking" website by myself...
Is it expensive to create a website? Do some of you could make this?
Any help to create the NHW Project website would be really great!!!
Many thanks!
Cheers,
Raphael
Also, don't forget the option I gave you Ralph, where you can have access
to one of my VPSes. We can create a subdomain for free, but if you want
something like nhw.com, you'd have to register the domain name yourself,
which wouldn't cost too much money.... Then I can help configure it to
point to your page on my VPS. I'll host it all for free. You'll have
your own user account and can edit the page as you see fit, upload images
in any format, etc.

upload

Post by Raphael Canut
there too!

I recommend https://archive.org -- there you can make an account, create an
"identifier" (a named folder for the data you want to upload,
essentially),
and upload the picture files. archive.org will handle zipping them together
or letting a user download the images individually. None of this will cost
you money, it's all available gratis, and downloading from there requires
Javascript.
You can also link from archive.org's files into your blog to inline the
pictures if you wish. I suggest adding a link to the "download" URL for
https://archive.org/download/IDENTIFIER/FILENAME
will be the pattern where you specify the identifier and filenames.
I don't know what you edit when you blog, but if you edit HTML the minimal
<img src="https://archive.org/download/IDENTIFIER/FILENAME" />
If you wish you could also add extra attributes like alt, height, and width.
Thanks!
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Raphael Canut

2018-07-16 21:00:31 UTC

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I just also thought at an other eventual possibility for the NHW Project
website, but it's very unlikely...

Monty, you told me 1 year ago: "If you don't have access to web space you
can use for documenting and advertising the project, we can certainly offer
that."

As furthermore I really like the great aesthetics of Xiph.org, would it be
possible Monty, that you give us a Xiph model html page (that we will fill
and customize)? I know it will be very very complicated for you to do
this.And first, don't know if you will have time, as Xiph.org and Mozilla
are very hardly working on AOM AV1 codec, and then second, don't know if it
is wise when you're very actively promoting and working on a codec, to
start promoting a competitor one... So, I would totally understand Monty
that you can not help us now.

Anyway, there's still this offer you made me one year ago, don't know what
it's worth now?

Many thanks!
Cheers,
Raphael

Post by Raphael Canut
Hello Spork,
Thank you very much for your great help!
So ok, let's create a website for the NHW Project! Anyone who wants to
help is very welcome! Do you want we start first with wix.com or rather
from nearly scratch? I think from scratch would be better as we can really
do what we want, but it will be a lot and lot more difficult to make...
-I will send you a private email for the USB token.-
Cheers,
Raphael

I am not good at website design yet, however, I do have some books Iâve
purchased that I need to read that will allow me to create complex
responsive websites (something we need for our new business).
When we looked at hiring a company to create a website for us, with our
requirements, we were looking at between 20,000$ - 50,000$ USD. However,
we need a much more complicated site than you I believe.
There are free sites that can help you create a fairly nice looking
website. I believe wix.com offers some free templates, and then they
offer paid ones. If you want, we can setup a test site, that only you
and the people helping you can see, until itâs ready. However, to
connect to our VPS, remember, we use high security, so we would need to
mail you a âtokenâ to access it, to upload the files. We could send
the stuff via email, however, I do not think that would be a good idea,
because anyone that has the token would have access.
If you want, please send me a private email with your mailing address,
and I will mail you a USB token with instructions on how to access the
site, how to upload files, etc.
Your friend,
Spork Schivago
*Sent:* Sunday, July 15, 2018 6:51 PM
*Subject:* Re: [theora] x265 and NHW comparison images posted to
https://nhwcodec.blogspot.com/?
Hello Spork,
Yes, thank you so much to offer to host the NHW Project website on one of
your VPSes for free!
It would be so great to have a real website for the NHW Project."The
problem" is that I don't have the skills to design and create a
"professional-looking" website by myself...
Is it expensive to create a website? Do some of you could make this?
Any help to create the NHW Project website would be really great!!!
Many thanks!
Cheers,
Raphael
Also, don't forget the option I gave you Ralph, where you can have access
to one of my VPSes. We can create a subdomain for free, but if you want
something like nhw.com, you'd have to register the domain name yourself,
which wouldn't cost too much money.... Then I can help configure it to
point to your page on my VPS. I'll host it all for free. You'll have
your own user account and can edit the page as you see fit, upload images
in any format, etc.

Post by Raphael Canut
First I have added a link on my demo blog page to Google Drive for the
image comparison folder of NHW and x265 on rather good quality

images.But

Post by Raphael Canut
be sure, as soon as you have sent me a free alternative host, I will

upload

Post by Raphael Canut
there too!

I recommend https://archive.org -- there you can make an account, create an
"identifier" (a named folder for the data you want to upload,
essentially),
and upload the picture files. archive.org will handle zipping them together
or letting a user download the images individually. None of this will cost
you money, it's all available gratis, and downloading from there requires
Javascript.
You can also link from archive.org's files into your blog to inline the
pictures if you wish. I suggest adding a link to the "download" URL for
https://archive.org/download/IDENTIFIER/FILENAME
will be the pattern where you specify the identifier and filenames.
I don't know what you edit when you blog, but if you edit HTML the minimal
<img src="https://archive.org/download/IDENTIFIER/FILENAME" />
If you wish you could also add extra attributes like alt, height, and width.
Thanks!
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Raphael Canut

2018-07-15 22:39:05 UTC

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Ok, will upload to archive.org tomorrow and send link.

Many thanks!
Raphael

Post by J.B. Nicholson

I recommend https://archive.org -- there you can make an account, create
an "identifier" (a named folder for the data you want to upload,
essentially), and upload the picture files. archive.org will handle
zipping them together or letting a user download the images individually.
None of this will cost you money, it's all available gratis, and
downloading from there requires Javascript.
You can also link from archive.org's files into your blog to inline the
pictures if you wish. I suggest adding a link to the "download" URL for
https://archive.org/download/IDENTIFIER/FILENAME
will be the pattern where you specify the identifier and filenames.
I don't know what you edit when you blog, but if you edit HTML the minimal
<img src="https://archive.org/download/IDENTIFIER/FILENAME" />
If you wish you could also add extra attributes like alt, height, and width.
Thanks!
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Raphael Canut

2018-07-16 13:59:46 UTC

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Hello,

I have just uploaded the image comparison files on archive.org.Actually I
have uploaded the whole folder zip and not images individually because
archive.org tells that I must have the rights to share for each image I
upload, and in fact I don't know if I have these rights...

New link at: http://nhwcodec.blogspot.com/

Really it would be so great to have your point of view on this image
comparison!

Cheers,
Raphael

Post by J.B. Nicholson

I recommend https://archive.org -- there you can make an account, create
an "identifier" (a named folder for the data you want to upload,
essentially), and upload the picture files. archive.org will handle
zipping them together or letting a user download the images individually.
None of this will cost you money, it's all available gratis, and
downloading from there requires Javascript.
You can also link from archive.org's files into your blog to inline the
pictures if you wish. I suggest adding a link to the "download" URL for
https://archive.org/download/IDENTIFIER/FILENAME
will be the pattern where you specify the identifier and filenames.
I don't know what you edit when you blog, but if you edit HTML the minimal
<img src="https://archive.org/download/IDENTIFIER/FILENAME" />
If you wish you could also add extra attributes like alt, height, and width.
Thanks!
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